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Trap the numpties and the bot 'users'

 
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KayNine



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PostPosted: Mon May 03, 2010 7:02 am    Post subject: Trap the numpties and the bot 'users' Reply with quote

At the time of posting this message, the forum counter claims that "...We have 5497 registered users...".
Surely, they are 'members' and not 'users'.
If they were actual Artoonix users, we'd surely see lots and lots of uploaded animations all over the place?

What we have are that many forum member registrations, but there's no way I'd call most of them 'users'. The recent upsurge in stupid and multiple 'Hello I'm new here' posts with promises of being able "... to help others like you have helped me ..." (especially when absolutely no further help is ever forthcoming), shows that it really is time to alter what happens when a new registration takes place. I've commented on this before - but in essence, all it needs is for anyone (or anything if it's a spambot) to NOT have the means to immediately post a message into the forum until it has first been checked by the Admin team. In a way this already happens because those idiotic 'I'm new here' messages get removed very quickly - it's just that at present they get straight through to the forum before this happens.

This type of checking is done on several other forums that I belong to. In one case, the check is made manually by the forum administrator and in another case a 'spambot trap' has been introduced which catches and diverts over 95% of that type of post. These actions make those forums much cleaner and free from the type of infantile silliness that is currently affecting this forum.

Alternatively, make the registration process dependent upon a different system. Some forums use a selection of photographs of objects or animals. 2 or 3 of these are highlighted at random when the registration process starts and the person who wants to register has to click on the appropriate labels which are listed separately. Bots find this MUCH harder to cope with. This wouldn't stop the numpties who just want to post gibberish - but it would certainly help to identify them faster and allow the admin team to issue a warning or to lock them out.

THE MEMBER LIST NEEDS TO ACCURATELY REFLECT THE NUMBER OF FORUM USERS WHO HAVE JOINED FOR THE PURPOSE OF PARTICIPATING.

(Update --- just a few hours later, this had risen to "We have 5512 registered users". That's an an increase of 15. If Artoonix was being used THAT heavily by so many new members, you'd expect to see examples and mentions all over the place, not to mention genuine questions and comments. But you don't. This also suggests to me that the registration process itself needs improving because either it's too easy to bypass the security double-check, or the site is being manually invaded by people who have no intention of contributing.)

If this problem is allowed to persist, the value and reputation of the forum will be damaged ..... I assume that is the pointless intention of those who post all those useless messages or send their spambots to do the job for them.


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KayNine



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PostPosted: Tue May 04, 2010 5:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just checked the website again. It's only about 12 hours since my previous post and the new 'member count' is 5546. But there's something even more interesting, and although I'm sure they'll soon be removed very quickly, two supposedly different authors have posted exactly the same message using exactly the same, weird message title ('new sait4'). That surely HAS to mean that spambots can break through the registration system with ease? The question is - is this happening automatically, or are they being directed?

Meanwhile, of course, only about 4 or 5 genuine Artoonix users actually seem to use the forum.

Odd.
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KayNine



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PostPosted: Fri May 14, 2010 10:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

10 days have passed since my last post.

Allegedly, the forum has 358 new 'members' but absolutely no new posts of any type ... no queries, comments or tips (apart from a small number of 'new here' messages which soon get taken down).

Why register when the forum is totally open to be read by anyone and everyone? Registration only offers the option to post messages. Even PM's have been disabled after the spamming problems and, to a large extent, it's only the non-posting 'members' who provide info about their email addresses. (And most of those are bogus).

I don't understand this - not unless all or most of those registrations are bypassing the registration system and being performed by bots.

But why bother?

Anyone got any thoughts or will the only response be ......... more silence?
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PostPosted: Fri May 14, 2010 11:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't see any real problem with these inactive registered users because they are ... inactive Smile Actually current phpBB version of the forum should be updated to avoid users management problems and we plan to migrate to the latest version as soon as possible.
Well, participating real users in the discussions is another topic...
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KayNine



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PostPosted: Fri May 14, 2010 1:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

andrei wrote:
I don't see any real problem with these inactive registered users because they are ... inactive


One problem is the number of 'members' whose names blatantly refer to s*x, dr*gs, financial 'services', sales etc. Any parent who takes the time to scan the memberlist before their child joins will be very likely to form a very strong (and wrong) negative impression.

The other, possibly less major problem is that anyone who sees that the forum has nearly 6000 members is going to wonder why only about 5 or 6 people post any messages .... and even some of those are extremely infrequent. The impression given because of the high count of inactive members is inherently erroneous. Up until about 18 months ago you used to clear out the memberlist at least once a year - that process seems to have been abandoned.

For me, it's all about perception, especially when I compare this forum against other animation forums that I regularly scan or take part in. There, not only is activity high or quite high (even in the forum for a now-defunct program such as TISFAT), but the prevalance of so many unsuitable membernames is noticeably absent or lower .... and 'suitability' for Artoonix's target audience is part of the site's stated ethos.

I hope that the forthcoming upgrade to the phpBB website format will in some way make website management easier.

One thing that is working well is he way you quickly delete all those daft 'Hi, I'm new here' messages (especially the mulitple ones). I don't know if you do this 'by hand' or whether you have your own bot-hunter, but either way, that's effective.

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May 17, the count now shows 6055 'members' - an increase of 558 but still without a single instance of participation. The initial perception of any new visitor will surely be to anticipate an amazing, vibrant, active and enthusiastic community. When this impression is dashed, they might then start trawling through the list of member names as well as the record of their respective posts ........ that's when their perception will change.

June 13 the count is 7156 ... and increase of 1101 in less than a month and not a single new 'user' posting usefully into the forum. Surely the only conclusion is that Artoonix 'users' are virtually all bots? Activity in the forum is effectively zero. I've also not found many new examples of Artoonix uploads on Youtube .... only Nathanael seems to be active. The new Youtube User Group is so devoid of activity and responses that it didn't really seem worth staying with it. It's all very disheartening and hard to explain for such a useful program as Artoonix.

Interestingly (well, for me) --- into the forum for a program that seems to have ceased being developed, I posted a message asking if such was the case. I didn't expect much in the weay of responses, but what has happened has been a deluge of comments from members and also the promise, by some members, to contact the developer to see what is happening. (Update -- the surge of responses following my query has caused the developer to promise to continue developing the program in the very near future).

Two different forums - two very different perceptions.
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